Understanding the Two-Level Burden in LD Values Debate

To win an LD round, you’ve got to convince your judge that your side is “good.” But to answer that question, you first need to ask a more important question: What IS the good? In the particular situation posed by this particular resolution, what ought we to value as our highest priority? Why should we value it? Is LD just a math problem? Is it enough to just tally up the benefits and count up which side provides more? If you’d like to discuss these principles further, or get personal help refining your cases, a few spots are still available in this semester’s LD Socratic Circle club. The club meets on Mondays at 6pm CT. Sign up here: https://lastingimpact.info/product/club24801/

Coach Henry Chen addresses these questions and more in this new resource available as a free download in the Lasting Impact shop. His article describes the two levels of argumentation that an LD debater must win, and he explores the scenarios that can occur when students fail to recognize the clashing worldviews at play in a round. This resource will help debaters and coaches better identify conflicting frameworks and weigh the impacts of each side. Check it out int the Lasting Impact! Library as a PDF soon~

The “Two-Step” of LD Debate
Lincoln-Douglas debate is unique because it requires two distinct victories. You cannot just prove your
side is “good” (Step 2); you must first prove how we define “good” (Step 1).
The “Scale” metaphor visualizes this hierarchy.
Step 1: The First Order of Debate (The Framework)
Image: Top Left (Framework Conflict)
● The Metaphor: This panel represents the Value and Criterion debate.
● The Action: Notice the two debaters are not looking at the weights (the arguments/impacts)
on the table. They are arguing about the instruments in their hands.
○ The debater on the left wants to use a Standard Balance Scale (Utilitarianism). He
wants to measure quantity—who has the biggest pile of benefits?
○ The debater on the right wants to use a Precision Gauge (Deontology). He wants to
measure quality—did a specific rule or right get violated?
● The Lesson for Students: “Before you tell me how many lives you saved or how much
money you made (the weights), you must win the argument of which type of scale the judge
should use to weigh the round. If you start throwing weights on the table before the judge has
picked a scale, you are wasting your time.”

Step 2: The Second Order of Debate (The Impacts)
Once the “First Order” is settled and a scale is chosen, the debate moves to the “Second
Order”—weighing the arguments. There are three possible outcomes shown in the other panels.

Outcome A: The Utilitarian Framework Wins
Image: Top Right (Utilitarian Match)
● The Scenario: The judge accepted the Utilitarian framework, and both sides are arguing
about quantity of impacts. (e.g., Value of Prosperity with a Criterion of Maximizing Well-being).
● The Metaphor: We use the scale that measures quantity, the debate becomes a math
problem.
● The Action:
○ Left Pan: “Maximize Happiness” + “Save Lives” (Heavy weights).
○ Right Pan: “Minor Harm” (Light weight).
● The Result: The scale tips. One quantitative impact is found to be “heavier” than the other.
● The Lesson: “If Utilitarianism wins as the scale, then the heaviest pile of rocks wins. Your
goal is to pile up as many positive consequences as possible. The side with the greater
quantity or has the ‘heavier’ net benefit wins the round.”

Outcome B: The Deontological Framework Wins (The Clash of Duties)
Image: Bottom Right (Deontological Match)
● The Scenario: The judge accepted a Deontological framework, but both sides are arguing
about duties.
● The Metaphor: We use the scale that measures quality, the debate becomes a calculus of
duties and rights.
● The Action:
○ Left Pan: “Duty to Protect” (e.g., National Security).
○ Right Pan: “Human Right” (e.g., Privacy).
● The Result: The scale tips. One moral duty is found to be “heavier” or more fundamental
than the other.
● The Lesson: “If Deontology wins, then the strength of the obligation wins. Is the Duty to
Protect the Nation ‘heavier’ than the Individual Right to Privacy? The side with the greater
moral weight wins the round..”

Outcome C: The Deontological Framework Wins (The Mismatch)
Image: Bottom Left (Deontological Mismatch)
● The Scenario: The judge accepted a Deontological framework, but the debaters have
different types of things to weigh.
● The Metaphor: This scale is designed to detect specific moral properties (like rights
violations), not the weight of consequences.
● The Action: The debater tries to put Utilitarian weights (“Maximize Happiness” and “Save
Lives”) onto the Deontological machine.
● The Result: “DOES NOT COMPUTE.” The needle doesn’t move. The machine doesn’t care
about happiness; it only cares about rights.
● The Lesson: “This is the most common novice mistake. If your opponent wins a
‘Justice/Rights’ framework, and you keep arguing that your side ‘boosts the economy’ or
‘makes people happy,’ you are putting the wrong fuel in the engine. It doesn’t matter how
great your impacts are; on this scale, they weigh zero.”

Sign Up for Lasting Impact! Winter 2026 Online Debate Clubs

Winter Debate Clubs at Lasting Impact! are designed to help students stay sharp, grow confident, and deepen their debate skills during their speech and debate season. These clubs provide structured instruction, guided practice, and meaningful feedback in a supportive community led by experienced, knowledgable coaches. Students will strengthen argumentation, critical thinking, and persuasive communication—skills that extend far beyond competition. Whether your student is brand new to debate or preparing for higher-level rounds, our Winter Online Debate Clubs offer a focused, encouraging environment where students from across the country learn, connect, and continue building skills that truly last. Here is the winter line up…

  • NEW! LD Socratic Circle with Anne and Caleb McClure
  • LD NCFCA with Ethan Tong
  • Moot Court Advocacy with Ethan Tong

Get the full descriptions in the SHOP! Want to learn more about what our NEW LD Socratic Circle is all about? Keep reading…

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Lasting Impact! Who We Are…

Welcome to Lasting Impact! If you are new here or need a reminder of who we are, what we do, or OUR HEARTS, let me share that with you! At Lasting Impact, we believe that every voice deserves to be heard—and what better way to equip young people than through the art of communication and speech and debate. For over a decade, we’ve been supporting students not just in developing rhetorical confidence, but in nurturing their Christian worldview so they can speak with conviction, grace, and purpose.

What Makes Lasting Impact! Different

  • Christ-Centered Coaching: We don’t just teach students how to speak—we help them understand why their words matter. Our coaches guide competitors to articulate truth, act with integrity, and reflect Christ in every argument and interaction.
  • Real-World Skills, Real-World Faith: From our countless resources to coaching sessions to debate strategy and script assessments, our tools are grounded in practical skills—but always rooted in biblical principles.
  • A Legacy of Growth, Not Just Trophies: Our goal isn’t to chase awards—it’s to cultivate growth. As one coach reflects, we help students see that “competition allows you the opportunity… to learn to effectively communicate a Christian worldview.”
  • Our Community & Coaches
    Our team—seasoned coaches and Christian mentors—is committed to walking alongside each student. Whether you’re shaping your delivery, fine-tuning an argument, or seeking encouragement between rounds, our coaches bring both expertise and heartfelt support. Their genuine love for the students shows in every class, every feedback session, and every post-tournament conversation.

Why Lasting Impact! Matters
In a world where media and communication are powerful tools, we equip students to use their voices wisely—answering not just for trophies or applause, but for dignity, truth, and to ultimately deepen their faith. Speech and debate becomes more than a hobby: it becomes a platform for Christ.

Get in Touch
Curious how your student can get started? Whether it’s private coaching, script feedback, or an online club, we’re here to help them grow. Reach out and let’s start this journey together.

Heather Neumann is the Founder and Director of Lasting Impact! She continues to coach, lead clubs, mentor students and parents, runs tournaments, and still makes time to direct theater and write plays. She loves spending time with her own family any chance she can get. She can be reached at heather@lastingimpact.info

Sign Up for FREE Fall Apologetics Club – Starts TONIGHT!

Although most our clubs have started we are still happy to welcome a few more! Why not start with FREE Apologetics TONIGHT! That’s right we decided that we’re going to do something completely different for apol club this year.

We’re dropping discussion of the specific Speech and Debate Apol topics in favor of a broader, more holistic approach. In short: seminary crash course. This is not just for students, but it’s for anyone who’s interested… parents, siblings, even alumni. Register with the code PARENT2025. You can register here: https://lastingimpact.info/product/club23864/.

Here are some of the things we’ll discuss:

– Why is there so much overlap between Matthew, Mark, and Luke? How could they possibly remember word for word what Jesus said to them?

– When should we interpret Scriptures literally or figuratively? 

– Why do 1 & 2 Kings tell the exact same stories 1 & 2 Chronicles do?

– How do we deal with the transgenderism argument that some people are born “intersex,” with both genitalia?

– What is the point of including the minor prophets in Scripture?

– Where in the Bible does it say that women cannot be pastors, if the word “pastor” only shows up once?

And MANY other things. If you enjoyed last semester, this one will be even better.

This has been my project for the last two years while in school for seminary. Trying to distill important things you never hear about if you don’t go to seminary into a single semester-long course! This information you are bound to use in your Apologetics rounds, but more importantly life! I would love for any of you to join, again, even if you’re graduated. It’s for everyone—and it starts TODAY! Don’t miss out!

You can register here: https://lastingimpact.info/product/club23864/.

Ethan will be receiving his Masters of Divinity from Truett Theological Seminary in December of 2025. He attended Hillsdale College, where he graduated in the top ten of his class. He has been a Lasting Impact! coach for over three years.

Discover Your Voice: Join Our Online Speech & Debate Clubs

Are you ready to sharpen your speaking skills, think faster on your feet, and have fun while learning? This fall, we are excited to launch a series of online speech and debate clubs designed to help students of all experience levels grow, compete, and explore their potential. Whether you’re just starting out or looking to take your skills to the next level, these clubs provide a multi-week, supportive environment to improve, practice, and succeed.

Here’s what we have lined up for the 1st Semester 2025-26:

  • Speech 101 & Speech 102 – Perfect for beginners and those looking to polish foundational skills. You’ll learn how to craft a compelling speech, use your voice effectively, and engage any audience. These classes build confidence, structure, and technique—essential skills whether you’re speaking in class or preparing for competition.
  • Apol Club with Ethan Tong – Dive into the world of Apologetics and sharpen your ability to think critically, argue persuasively, and defend ideas with clarity. This club encourages intellectual curiosity and the confidence to present complex ideas in a thoughtful way. And in case you haven’t heard – it’s FREE!
  • Fall LD Club with Ethan Tong – Lincoln-Douglas debate is all about persuasion, evidence, and ethics. In this multi-week club, students will analyze cases, practice argumentation, and learn strategies that make them compelling speakers and sharp thinkers.
  • Moot Court Caselaw Club with Ethan Tong – Step into the courtroom in this exciting exploration of legal reasoning and argumentation. Students will review real cases, prepare briefs, and practice delivering oral arguments—developing skills in logic, rhetoric, and critical thinking that go far beyond the debate stage.
  • Extemp Club with Roman Hogancamp – Learn to think on your feet in current events extemporaneous speaking. This club teaches students how to quickly analyze topics, organize their thoughts, and present concise, persuasive speeches—all while staying informed and confident.
  • Interp / Drama Club – Explore storytelling, performance, and character interpretation. Students will work on monologues, scenes, and interpretive pieces, enhancing voice, body language, and emotional impact in both performance and competitive settings.

Each of these clubs lasts throughout the first semester, giving students time to practice, grow, and see real improvement. Unlike one-time webinar or workshop, our clubs allow for consistent feedback, skill-building exercises, and a chance to develop lasting relationships with fellow students who are equally passionate about speech and debate.

Whether your goal is to gain confidence speaking in front of others, compete successfully, or simply enjoy the art of communication, there’s a club here for you. Plus, the online format means you can join from the comfort of home while still engaging in interactive, collaborative learning.

Spots are limited, so don’t wait! Join us this fall and take your skills to the next level. Your voice is powerful—let’s make sure it’s heard. Go to the SHOP NOW and sign up!

Online Clubs Start After Labor Day – Sign Up NOW

Did you know Lasting Impact! has a variety of Speech and Debate Clubs? Check out the SHOP to see what’s in store for Fall 2025 – https://lastingimpact.info/product-category/clubs/

If you are looking for a coach to jump into your clubs for an online zoom session- we do that too! Our coaches are fabulous at what they do! We have coached numerous National Champions, but we also connect with those who don’t! Speech and Debate is a personal journey. It’s a joy and honor to come alongside students, parents, coaches, and clubs wherever you are! For more information or questions contact Heather@lastingimpact.info

It’s not to late – Moot! (Camp TODAY and Aug 21)

Moot Court might seem intimidating, but it is genuinely one of the best activities you can do! 

Not only is it the best academic exercise, but it’s also extraordinarily fun to be able to converse with your judge as part of the competition! Competitors year after year say that Moot Court is the most underrated public speaking event.

Some people are on the fence about competing in Moot Court this year. Maybe there are questions about whether the time commitment is worth it, or whether you’ll enjoy the event. Maybe you have college classes or work or sports. Or college applications!

One excellent way to learn more—about the time commitment, the material, or the event itself—is through online Moot Court camps, which are hosted right here at Lasting Impact. We’re confident you’ll love it—but there’s no commitment. You can join and decide it’s not for you. We’ve priced the camp at a low cost so that you can join just to learn more (you can come for just $50 with the code found at the end of this webinar: https://youtu.be/RBI7cgylIi8).

We help you get a fast start on Moot—giving you time with the case (multiple sessions), teaching you the basics of reading cases, answering questions, and how to write your cases.

You can find the registration below. One starts tomorrow (registration still open); the other starts August 21 & 23. Sign up HERE

https://lastingimpact.info/product-category/online-camps

Online LD Camp UPDATE – FREE Fall Apol. Club

Our virtual LD Camp starts TOMORROW! It’s going from a two day camp to one! This means less time online for you… but still all of the AMAZING content! Sessions will include…
Argumentation
Value theory
Writing a compelling case
Research in LD
Elements of effective speaking
Flowing
Going Neg
…and more!

Plus, we have added an even BIGGER BONUS!! If you sign up, you will automatically be invited to our Fall Online Apologetics Club FOR FREE! That’s right, no need to register… you will be welcome to join our Lasting Impact! Apol Club. We are so excited to offer this! Tell your friends! Remember, all camps and clubs/classes are recorded. Sign up for Online LD Camp (and Apol) HERE – https://lastingimpact.info/product/camp23889/

Also, if LD isn’t your thing… we will make the same offer for TP! Register HERE – https://lastingimpact.info/product/club23888/

Summer Prep with Lasting Impact!

Are you ready to begin your 2025-2026 speech and debate season? We are too! In fact, we have one camp under our belt and resources busting at the seams! Here is just a short run down of how you can use Lasting Impact! as the number one resource in Speech and Debate this summer and beyond!

  1. Coaching – Have you seen our line up of qualified coaches? Do you want to get a jump start on your season? Schedule a Mental Prep Session. Coaching isn’t just for students either! Did you know we help create syllabus’ for clubs, meet with parents, and coach specific tracks for clubs? Check out COACHING here.
  2. Camps – Like I said we are one camp down, and about a dozen more to go! Lasting Impact! Coaches are traveling nation-wide again to help inspire students (and parents) on the power of communication! Talk to Heather (heather@lastingimpact.info) on more information on hiring a Lasting Impact! Coach. We even offer Online Camps this summer (and they will be recorded)! Moot, TP, LD, and Jump Start Speech… what more could you ask for!?
  3. Speech and Debate Materials – We have AMAZING products! If you haven’t been to the SHOP in a while… go there NOW!
  4. Sourcebooks – Our Debate Guidebooks and Sourcebooks are the BEST! We spend hundreds of hours putting together a product you will want to dig into! And did you know, we created a Summer Prep TP Source just for our NCFCA friends! Great for easy early research or camp!
  5. Don’t forget to sign up for Fall 2025 Clubs/Classes! More will be added this summer… but be sure to check out some of our standards- Online LD, Speech 101, Speech 102, Interpretation Club, Online Apol, Extemporaneous Roundtable and more!

Lasting Impact! is gearing up for the best summer and season ever! We hope you join us!

Reformation of Thought: A History of Philosophy (Class Offering) by: Charis Baker

Western Civilization is in the midst of a crisis. You are living in the midst of one of the great ideological battles in history. Whether you want to be a better debater, increase your ability to defend your faith, or become a more well-rounded individual, you must know and be able to articulate the truth. 

How can you stand firm in truth if you don’t know where the battle lines of ideas are drawn?

This fall, Lasting Impact! is partnering with Speaking with Grace and Charis Baker. She is offering an 8-week live class for high schoolers who want to achieve these exact goals. We’ll read, write on, and discuss Dr. Glenn Martin’s comprehensive overview of the thoughts that have shaped Western philosophy: Prevailing Worldviews of Western Society Since 1500. Join Charis Baker to better identify and defend your beliefs and understand the history of philosophy. Continue reading for a glimpse into the questions and ideas we’ll be examining….

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Join Lasting Impact! Apologetics Club! By: Ethan Tong

Join our Apol Club starting TOMORROW!! https://lastingimpact.info/product/club23482/

My hope is that this Apol Club will change the way you think about Apologetics. Not because I espouse a new, heretical position, but because I treat topics as part of a broader whole. When we talk about inspiration, I don’t students to just answer with the wrote “yes, the Bible is inspired because 1 Timothy says all Scripture is God-breathed.” I will be discussing the entire topic of the Bible’s writing: Did God speak every single word into the writer’s ears like a person speaking through a Bluetooth earbud? Is that really what we have to believe? On the other hand––did he simply put the idea of a topic in the writer’s mind? How can we trust that the words are what God meant it to say, then?

When it comes to even the most basic questions about God, like “Is God loving?”, I seek to draw a picture of God rather than answer each question. God isn’t a human who has certain features or emotions. Every aspect of God is an overflow of who he is. Therefore, he’s not “loving,” he is love itself! He’s not righteous, he’s righteousness itself! God’s attributes are not choices God made––they are integral to who he is as the “greatest possible being” (as St. Anselm says it).

This is just a sneak peek into what Apol Club will look like. Many students have told me that this club revolutionized the way they think about God and about their spiritual life. One student wrote to me this past fall that I’ve helped him become more motivated to read his Bible! 

I hope many of you will join this club. Ever since joining seminary in Fall of 2023, I’ve been passionate to share my new thoughts with people who have only ever seen a fraction of what the Bible is.

I believe, we are doing a disservice if we treat Apol like a chance to “prove our knowledge.” 1 Corinthians 8:1 says that knowledge puffs up! What builds up? Love. We need to speak on these topics with a heart for those whom God dearly loves––which is all people.

It will be life-changing to hear theology addressed as a larger whole rather than as just discrete topics on a paper card. And it’s all just $75––about $5 per session! Please, come and join!! Apol Club is not just for students who are competing in a speech category… it’s for all who want to understand deeper what you believe, how to articulate your thoughts, grow in the Word, and so much more!

Free Moot Court Judging Webinar

The first Moot Court tournament of the year is coming up, and that means many parents will be judging for the first time!

Judging Moot Court is a favorite for many parents. They love the ability to interact with student arguments. I mean, how often do you just WISH you could pipe up and ask a debater to explain their case a little more?? Or to ask them how they would answer a particular objection? That’s exactly what you get to do the whole round in Moot Court.

But on the other hand, Moot Court is very intimidating for new judges. If the students know more than me… will any questions I ask even be good questions? What if I just agree with everything they’ve said? 

And what is this year’s case even about?? 

That’s where we come in. Our mission at Lasting Impact! is to equip parents and students so they can judge and compete at the highest level. We’re offering TWO FREE webinars coming up on January 8th and 9th (Wednesday and Thursday night, 8pm CT). Register here: https://lastingimpact.info/product/workshop23510/.

The first night we’ll cover the case packet, to give you a quick preview into what the case is all about. The second night, we’ll cover judging tips: asking good questions even if you haven’t read that much of the packet, filling out the ballot, deciphering between prepared and unprepared competitors, etc.

You are invited to attend both webinars if you’d like, but if you can only make one (or only need one), feel free to attend whichever you prefer! And invite others––this is entirely free of charge because we want parents to feel equipped!

Here’s one tip you can keep in your back pocket for judging this year: ask them “why.” When they say that a particular Supreme Court case said xyz, ask them why the Court decided that. What is the logic behind that? Why would the Court say xyz instead of abc? That will push them to see if they’re just parroting the Court’s language or if they have a robust understanding of why the Court ruled the way it did.

More where that came from! Come to the judging webinar, and invite others!